8/6     Don't hire a Cantonese because
        1) he/she will hire more Cantonese
        2) they will not care about the quality of their work. They are
           literally obsessed with money-- it's ingrained in their culture.
        3) they jabber in nasal, irritating voices
        \_ inflammatory troll or bitterness?
           \_ think achoi
                \_ I suspect someone got jilted by a cantonese girl
        \_ i totally agree. cantonese are more likely to display signs
           of chinesery than any other group. and chinesery is disgusting.

8/6     SW Ep.2 = Attack of the Chinese. Definitely a B-movie title.
        \_ A better title would have been SW Ep2: Plan 5 From Skywalker
           Ranch!
        \_ A better title would have been SW Ep2: Plan 5 From Tiananmen
           Square!

8/6     This test has been designed to evaluate reactions of personnel
        to various situations.
        You are making a presentation to a group of corporate
        executives in the plushest office you've ever seen.  The
        enchillada casserole and egg salad sandwich you had for
        lunch react, creating severe pressure.  Your sphincter
        loses control and youbreak wind, causing the glass bookcase
        doors to shatter and a secretary to pass out.
        YOU SHOULD:
        (a) Offer to come back next week when the smell has gone away.
        (b) Point to the Chief Executive and accuse him of the offense.
        (c) Challenge anyone in the room to do better.

FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE (MKVI) #1: Sun Jul 29 13:58:58 PDT 2001

Welcome to Soda Mark VI, an Athlon/700 donated by AMD.

8/7     How is it that whenever I sign into my hotmail account, MSN
        Instant Messenger some how starts and re-registers itself
        to execute at login, without it ever asking me for permission?
        \_ Error: incorrect operating system detected. Please try again.

8/6     Are there any bioE majors on soda?  My friend's advisor (Bryan Jones,
        for those of you who are familiar) told her she had to take 8 tech
        courses her sophomore year.  I'm of the opinion that this is only going
        to screw her and her gpa over.  Thoughts?
           \_ screw her?
              \_ [ the joke got old months ago. deleted ]
        \_ I have a degree in Biophysics and tried to take 7 tech courses my
           junior year (including OChem and QM at the same time). Yes, it
           screwed up my gpa and probably kept me out of med school. -ausman
        \_ I took Physics 137A, Physics 105, Physics 112, Math 104, Math
           110, Math 113, and Economics 101AB my junior year. I didn't do
           so hot. Then again, the alternative is to stay in school forever
           while you take the hard classes one at a time. If she doesn't
           take the 8 classes then what are her options? --dim
        \_ Yes, it's possible, and sometimes even the right thing to do. I've
           had semesters when I've taken 4 techs, and without regrets. In most
           cases, for most people, it's probably NOT the right thing to do,
           given risk to GPA/academic standing, stress level, lack of free
           time, etc. The best thing you can tell your friend is probably to
           get a second opinion of some other faculty in the department, and/or
           from other undergrads who have taken the particular techs she's
           being pushed into, and then think for herself. -alexf
        \_ Tech courses were fun while I was at Berkeley.  Four at a time
           is even better.  If she fears them, maybe it's not for her.
           For example, I feared four upper division CS courses.  That was
           not for me, but if she's got a knack --
           \_ Math power pack: 104, 113, 110, 128A.  Delicious, nutritious,
              and educationally stimulating.
           \_ in my experience, Bryan Jones is nearly always wrong.  She should
              plot out her academic future with help from sympathetic profs or
              better yet upperclassmen friends.  Best of luck and let us know
              if she actually ends up needing to take 8 tech courses.
        \_ At last something I really can help with. BioE is in the eng. science
           cluster of majors. They are very much catch as catch can for advisors
           and the advising I received was poor verging on criminal. I made
           numerous mistakes in class choices, some of which I am still dealing
           with as a result. By all means, get a second opinion. Unless your
           friend is a whiz kid who is comfortable with the load, find a way
           to balance out the 8 classes over time. It's better to just be in
           school longer. Really. It is. Feel free to email me if you want to
           talk about it more.
           -- ulysses (BioE for first year, then grad. in Env Eng Sci, 1995)
        \_ My brother is doing BioE and he seemed to be able to handle that
           load just fine while keeping his GPA above 3.
           When I was an undergrad I took 6 technicals 2nd year and 8 techs
           junior year and it wasn't too bad. I even graduated above 3.
           \_ I don't know what the case is outside of BioE and my own major, but
              we needed a 3.5 or better to be seriously considered for graduate
              school - and it is assumed you are going to grad school if you
              are in an eng. sci. major. Also, don't forget that for BioE two
              of those classes are the biochem sequence where you are head to
              head with bloodthirsty pre-meds, many of whom are taking only that
              one course or maybe one other. -- ulysses
        \_ Are all ucb students this wimpy now, or is it just the bioE majors?
           I was eecs, and I've never taken less than 15 units of technical
           classes a semester.
           \_ When I was a student, we walked uphill, both ways, in the rain.
              \_ Pansy.  We walked through blinding snow, and we didn't
                 have schools.  We had treebark!  We would sit down on
                 treebark and take notes on treebark, and we liked it!  We
                 loved it.

8/7     Does anyone know if it's legal for the manager of my manager to lay
        me off just because he doesn't like me?
        \_ Its not legal to lay you off if he doesn't like you. But it is
           legal to say lay you off because of "budget constraints". If
           the boss of your boss doesn't like you, you should try and fix
           the problem or look for another job.
           \_ what moron deleted my reply?
              IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL, If you have signed a
              "termination without cause" employee agreement!!!
           \_ Thanks!
        \_ It's not legal if he fires you.

8/7     Is there any distributed computing project similar to SETI@home but
        is dedicated to AIDS research?
        \_ jeesus christ all the crap instead of the answer:
                http://www.fightaidsathome.org
           \_ This is wrong. Do not let the gay lobby use your computing
              resources to get a cure for thier gay disease.
           \_ Darn.  Actually I was hoping there is none when I asked the
              question, so that I can happily stay in SETI@home.  But now that
              there is one, I guess I should move to that.
        \_ There is a dc project for Cancer, and Cancer
           effects more people and isn't usually preventable!
           \_ But AIDS has no cure so far, and it's contagious.  People can
              get it through blood transfusion.
              \_ this isn't common anymore is it? (at least, not in the US?)
              \_ And being gay.
                 \_ You can avoid having unsafe gay (and straight) sex, but
                    you can't avoid blood transfusion when you get into a
                    serious accident or need a surgery to cure other sickness.
                    \_ You can avoid getting a blood transfusion as well.
                       Sometime it is better to go than to suffer because
                       of someone else gay sins.
           \_ um...  Cancer is usually preventable.
                \_ um... smart guy.  I will personally gaurantee that eventuall
                   you will get cancer of some kind.  It's innate.  Ask someone
                   who has majored in MCB or something to explain it to you.
                   \_ Not true. Not all people develop cancer. Some people have
                      extra amounts of this anti-angeogensis transmitter in thier
                      blood which prevents the formation of cancer. There are
                      clinical trials underway for drugs that increase these
                      transmitters therby preventing the growth of cancers.
              \_ Ok, wiseguy. Tell me how my mom was supposed to avoid getting
                 breast cancer?
                his fluid onto you.
                 \_ Did she take any fertility drugs or birth control pills
                    when she was younger? If so, then there is the most likely
                    reason she developed breast cancer. Otherwise it could be
                    the estrogen hormone they give post-menopausal women.
                    \_ Wait a minute.  My wife's doctor told her birth control
                       pills actually decreases chances of getting cancer.  I
                       forgot which form of cancer though.
                       \_ There is a big difference between the bc pills now
                          and those given out ~ 20 yrs ago. Current bc pills
                          may reduce the risks of some forms of uterine cancer,
                          but there is no way they reduce the risk of all forms
                          of cancer.
                       \_ My friend takes 'em just to get rid of zits.
                          \_ Turmeric is a much safer way to deal with zits.
           \_Oh typical... the stinkin high profile disease garners
             the disproportionate research funding while the
             truly important disease called the big C that kills
             millions every year gets only a nod.
             \_ AIDS doesn't / won't soon kill millions every year if we don't
                come up with a vaccine or a cure?  You can't get cancer by
                walking by some stranger who all of a sudden goes mad and
                give you one wet kiss in the mouth, or lick that paper cut on
                your finger, or simply sneeze or spit next to you and spray
                his fluid onto you, or poke his used needle into you.
                \_ are you a moron?  you can't get aids from sneezing.
                   nevermind, troll.
                   \_ That's what the gay people tell you. You've been
                      duped by thier gay science.
        \_ Cancer is very avoidable. Cutting down on meat and high fat, and
           cholesterol foods will reduce your risk of cancer.
           \_ Those studies change daily.  And you've only talked about "risks"
              of cancer, not avoiding it completely.
        \_ Cancer kills grandmas dead.
        \_ What's amazing here is that the rest of UC Berkeley's student
           body is probably just as ill-informed as those represented here.
           Get a collective clue.  --scotsman
           \_ http://members.aol.com/ivorybro66/hiv.html  How about some
              proof that HIV causes AIDS?
           \_ AIDS is a gay disease. Unfortunately those gay people have
              spread thier crap to the rest of society which has made it
              almost impossible for a good decent person to go into the
              medical profession without being afraid for thier lives.
              \_ I'm sorry your gay father molested you as a child but do
                 you really have to project your idiocy to the rest of CSUA?
        \_ What luser deleted the entire rest of this thread??? That was soda
           blather at its very best.

8/8     I want to bind control-backspace in my .emacs. What is the escape
        sequence for BS?
        \_ Its either ?\C-h or ?\C-?.
           \_ \C-h is the help key and \C-? doesn't work.
              \_ Use vi.  (You knew it was coming.)
                 \_ obuED!EDISTHESTANDARDEDITOR!
        \_ backspace is ^H, so there is no such thing as ctrl-backspace.  You
           could map this at an X11 level (a la xmodmap), since it would
           see it as ctrl-backspace, but at a terminal level it's the same
           as typing delete.  If by backspace you mean delete, then, alas,
           there's also no such thing as ctrl-delete at a terminal level.

8/8     Remote security hole in *very* recent FreeBSD telnet daemon.
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-01:49.telnetd.v1.1.asc
        \_ So who runs telnet or inetd for that matter?
           \_ It's the motd.  See AIDS vs Cancer thread above.  Not the brightest
              folks.
           \_ um.  telnet http://csua.berkeley.edu 23
           \_ It's the motd.  See AIDS vs Cancer thread above.  Not the
              brightest folks.
              \_ See BioE thread below, some are quite intelligent.

8/8     FreeBSD/ports question: I've got glib1.2.8 installed, and I'd like to
        replace that with the 1.2.10 currently in ports.  How do I get rid of
        the old installation?  "make deinstall" in /usr/ports/glib1.2 comes
        back with "===>   glib-1.2.10_3 not installed, skipping."  Is
        pkg_delete safe for use with ports?
        \_ Yes.  An installed port == an installed package.  Best way is to
           # cd /usr/ports/devel/glib12
           # make && pkg_delete -f glib-1.2.8 && make install && make clean
           Also look at pkg_upgrade: http://bushong.net/dave/sw   --dbushong
           \_ You've got a lot of good stuff there.  Does pkg_upgrade
              maintain the +REQUIRE_BY files?

8/7     FELLOW UNEMPLOYED SODANS
        I WILL TEACH YOU ENTERPRISE JAVA SKILLS FOR FREE
        There is no catch.  If you have basic programming skills you can
        quickly learn to use Java on an "enterprise" system.  Email me
        and we can meet up to once a week, organizing a study group if
        possible.                       - brain
        \_ What are we going to learn tomorrow night? -pinky
        \_ Do you have a syllabus?
           Is this how to use servlets or how to use EJBs or what?
           \_ yes.  Servlets, EJB, Connectors, JSP, the new XML libs, JMS
                application clients, global transactions, setting up commercial
              application servers, etc.  I have taught classes in Java before
              but this is a more informal thing to get our group more employed.
              If you don't know any of these acronyms feel free to ask me
              This is a legitimate effort to get people more job mobility.
                                                                   -brain
        \_ What jackass would delete this and why? If that isn't squishable,
           what is?
           \_ People overwrite the motd without looking.  Don't :w! the motd
              unless absolutely necessary, and we'll all get along much
              better. --scotsman
        \_ Are sodans programmers?  Anyway, if you are a CS major, all these
           Java stuff is too easy!
                \_ yeah i hate things that are easy, reduces my job security
        \_ I just want to know one thing:
           Will there be amply supply of H07 42N CH1X attending??

8/7     If someone is castrated, do they still feel a desire for children?
        Or love, without the lust? Or does all that come as a package?

8/7     Will a cloned human being, if there will ever be one, have identical
        fingerprints as the gene donor?

8/7     http://www.mindspring.com/~methinfex - mmm. heroin.

8/7     How do I find out how many processors a machine has and its % load
        (simular to top) without using top?
        \_ Depends on the OS. Which OS? -ausman
        \_ http://home.earthlink.net/~bhami/rosetta.html
           \_ This is great!

8/7     Where did that "when i was young, blah blah, and we liked it.
        we loved it" originally come from? Especially the liked it -- loved it
        thing, was it from some movie or something?
        \_ Don't you mean "when I was a kid we used to walk 10 miles to school
           in 5 feet of snow uphills both ways"?
           \_ How do you walk uphills both ways?
              \_ You like it! You love it.
           \_ i thank you to death and beyond.
              \_ the curvature of space is variable with time
                 combined with the fact that plate techtonics
                 was a lot more active when I was a kid forced
                 me to walk uphill both was to school which
                 was 10 miles away and the path was always
                 covered in 8 ft of snow and weather conditions
                 were blizzard like or worse. Oh yeah, and school
                 lasted from 6 AM to 12 PM with 12 hrs of homework
                 every night!
                 \_ I always hated those 30 hour days.
                    \_ Actually it's only 6 hours from 6AM to 12PM.
               \_ I lived in the middle of a really long hill. My first class
                  was at the top of the hill so I had to walk up to get there.
                  My last class was at the bottom of the hill, so afterwards
                  I had to walk up from there to get home.
              \_ Kids these days...sigh...
        \_ Dana Carvy's grumpy old man on SNL
           \_ ok tnx
           \_That specific line might be from Dana Carvey, but the idea
             goes back (at least) to Monty Python, Live at the Hollywood
             Bowl, "The Four Yorkshiremen" - lewis
                \_ I think the first person to use it was Bill Cosby.  -tom
        \_ from old people having egos

8/7     Does soda have sww mounted?
        \_ No.
        \_ who is sww?
           > finger sww
           finger: sww: no such user
           \- dumbass...