7/11    Why do we bother to date stuff anymore? it all disappears within
        a couple hours regardless.
        \_ for the sex?
        \_ yeah, why does the motd get cleared so much quicker these
           days (or appears that way)
           \_ more intelligent people in the CSUA?
              \_ kinney!  kinney!  is the standard!  motd. poster.
           \_ more opinionate censors who don't like the free and
              unrestricted exchange of ideas. The intellectual
              content of the ideas is irrelavant, even drivel has
              the right to get posted and remain on the motd.
           \_ Its a conspiracy to kill the motd

7/11          \_ I don't understand your disdain for english majors, psb.
              Personally, i've never met an english major who didn't know
              who Joyce was. I have, on the other hand, met engineers who
              didn't know who Euler was. Is that any less reprehensible?
              \_ I'd like to comment on your analogy.  As an engineer, the
                 important thing is to be able to *do* stuff, which
                 requires, for most engineers, that you know some math
                 that was discovered by Euler.  While I think it would be
                 nice for technical people to take an interest in the
                 history of the ideas they need, you don't need to know
                 who Euler was to be comfortable with differential equations,
                 but if you know lots of history and can't integrate,
                 you are a totally incompetent engineer.
              \-1. i said a lot of english majors probably would not
              be able to tell you who Stephen Daedulus was without
              context, not James Joyce.  2. the filtering criteria to
              get into english is a lot lower than to get into EECS.
              3. i think a lot more people come to ucb for a degree
              stamp and end up in english rather than just people
              committed to language and lit ... i dont think a lot of
              people come to berkeley with the idea of going to law
              school and just casually decide to major in physics.
              4. the names of people is less important in engineering
              than english.  you can know what cos + i sin \theta is
              without knowing euler, but it is sort of hard to know
              much about moby dick without knowing it was written by
              melville --psb
              \_ you could read it and think about the ideas without
                 knowing anything about Melville, though.  I think a person
                 who has worked at sea will understand alot more about that
                 book than someone who listens to a bunch of whiney
                 cal freshman overanalyze it.  my point being that you dont
                 learn about literature by going to college,which is not really
                 in opposition to what you're saying, i think.
                 \- well i suppose you "could" however you would be missing
                 a lot of essential stuff. to take an example i am more
                 familar with, say the Iliad, there are some interps of
                 homer that are definitely wrong which may seem reasonable if
                 you are unaware various notions of greek society and the
                 nature of improvisational oral composition. so as the person
                 above sugests, a work of literature is much more a product of
                 it's circumstances than a result in math or physics. ohm's
                 law would be ohm's law regardless wheher it came from germany
                 or china. however, a chinese old man and the sea would
                 probably quite different from hemingway's. in spite of all
                 the crap about knots in MD, i dont think knowing how to sail
                 is the key to MD. probably more important to know your bible,
                 shakespeare etc. --psb

7/11    I hate Texas and Bush! Long live Davis!
        <DEAD>quicken.excite.com/investments/news/story/djbn<DEAD>
        ?story=/news/stories/dj/20010710/BT20010710005436.htm&symbol=PCG
        \_ This is a very good arguement for nationalizing the power industry.

7/10    AI is the stupidest movie I've ever seen. It insults my computer
        science intelligence. Don't waste yer $ on it.
        \_ stupider then The Net?  that actually sounds kind of like an
           impressive feat.
        \_ I actually enjoyed it a lot, up until the the underwater Manhattan
           scene. They could've and should've ended the movie there.
        \_ Speaking of movies, go watch Memento, especially if you like
           puzzles.
           \_ Good for the first hour, so-so for the rest.
        \_ The male-love-robot is funny. They should've made a female
           version and a futuristic commercial for http://www.realdoll.com

7/10    Forced by mgmt to use yahoo groups.  Hate it. Anyone know of any
        open source posting/discussion forum code that i can set up
        on my solaris/linux/bsd box?  thanks.
        \_ start a mailing list and archive it on an internal
           web page sensibly with GNU MailMan
           \_ Yahoo Groups > mailing list
           \_ pipermail (built in mailman archiver) sucks; use hypermail
              with mailman
        \_ Friends of mine suggest PHP-nuke, it's a slashdot-style application.

7/10    Found out my X-company is a "C corporation", not an LLC.  does this
        mean I'm up shit creek when they go bankrupt? - <DEAD>X-.com<DEAD> founder.
        \_ If they go bankrupt, they can't pay you.  What's wrong with that?
           \_ other way around, i'm worried that incurred debt could be
              charged to me.
        \_ http://4inc.com/compare.htm . Shouldn't you have asked all these
           questions of the attorney that helped you incorporate? --dim
                \_ each column contains the word "are not normally liable
                   for the debts of the corporation".  relax.

7/10    Does anybody have anything to say about the new parking permit
        regulations (max 3 14-day permits, can't buy more than 1 at a
        time, etc.)?  Why was this change made?
        \_ it's part of the windows xp rollout
        \_ It's designed to screw students.  End of story.
        \_ according to the "Customer Care Servicers" it is there because
           of the balck market that was created with sales of said parking
           passes.  Clearly they didn't take any sort of economics.

7/11    Powerpuff Girls!

7/12    evoice is going away.  any other service on the web out there
        like it?  - danh
        \_ http://onebox.com

7/12    I'll pay $20.00 for a Diamond Viper Pro (pci) -daveh
        \_ why?
         \_Think mil/aero -daveh
           \_ you're putting a homemade mp3 player built out of a 386
              in your 80s Saab?
           \_ No, I'm writing a custom graphics driver for the Navy
              (Before shipping crappy mp3 players, Diamond was well
               known for its graphics cards) - daveh
               \_ isn't ironic that Diamond's last decent card, Stealth 64,
                  built on the S3 Vision 968, later S3 bought Diamond and
                  turned them into Sonic Blue?
               \_ In the Navy, you can program MP3s
                  In the Navy, you can set your mind on C
                  In the Navy, come on and join your fellow man,
                  In the Navy, can't you see we need a hand?
                  \_ If you can't see shore, it's not really gay.
               \_ damnit, I don't want my tax dollars spent on that.
                  what's it for? why aren't "normal" drivers good enough
                  for those rapers of Japanese schoolgirls?
                  \_ that'd be the Marines.  Navy's the ones bombing
                     Puerto Rico.  -- erikred
                     \_ the Marines are part of the Navy -ulysses
                        \_ This doesn't deserve the response, but no.
                        \_ Why does the Navy take Marines on ships with them?
                           \_ Call and ask them. That's how I found
                              out what I know. I lost a bet on it. -ulysses
                              \_ My coworker is ex-Navy and has verified. The
                                 Marines don't like to admit it, but they are
                                 squids, too. --dim
        \_ [date corrected by the motd date god]
                                            \_ h07d8P
        \_ I'll pay $10.00 for yer mom

7/12    Why is ASP so bad?
          An example of an ASP model- Yahoo Finance- This entire site is
        one big ASP application. You can login- load you stock portfolio-
        track its performance- host discussions- view data related to
        stocks
          Same goes for the bill pay.. same goes for the MyYahoo stuff..
        Yahoo has gone way beyond the portal to information- They give
        people the ability to Loadand Retrieve data using the ASP model.
        The whole ASP thing just got a bad name because a lot of broke
        dot coms lost their shirts persuing the ASP model- in particular
        related to the keyword ecommerce.  But in actuality the ASP model
        is far superior to anything (except for maybe the security
        aspect). The rollout costs are nil- the training costs are
        minimized- the ability to implement quick enhancements is there-
        If lets say- Ellison got his way with the network computer- we
        really would have a better operating environment as MSFT could go
        in real time and update the interface and release enhancements
        without having to bundle the entire package together.
          The Ecommerce ASP is still a multibillion dollar solution. Look
        at Ebay- ASP  model. SAP applications may as well be considered
        ASP now with all the http://MySAP.com integration they have. Just
        becuase we all don't use commerce one's or ariba's software
        doesn't mean it is a flawed idea- or bad technology.

7/12    !kinney
        - aspolito

7/11    The motd is dead. Long live the motd!