FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE (MKVI) #0: Thu Feb  1 03:41:03 PST 2001

Welcome to Soda Mark VI, an Athlon/700 donated by AMD.

02/02   OS updated.  Bugs to root.  Complaints on wall/motd will be ignored.
        \_ And so will complaints to root, apparently.  Give me root for 30
           seconds and I'll fix the sshd problem.  -tom
           \_ tom is the last person that ought to have root on soda.
                \_ yeah, I was only the VP for a year.  -tom

2/6     O cat? A taco?

2/5     Two years ago I posted a single comment on a newsgroup
        and now my primary email address is being sold as part of a spam
        list targeted to a certain demographic group that I will never be
        a part of.  Regarding the people doing this, I have a http://yahoo.com
        address, a name and real address in Chicago,  and an 888 number.
        How can I make this person hurt?
        \_ Count to 10 slowly.  There are worse things in the world to
           worry about.
           \_ Wow, that was both helpful and enlightening.  I'll always
              be happy now.  I'm not angry.  I want to stop this guy.
              \_ Try the BBB.
                 \_ The BBB sux rox. They wield jack shit in influence.
        \_ post to newsgroups under that e-mail address
           \_ Yeah, for starters, post to craigslist chicago under
              that person's name advertising free stuff, available
              immediately at his apartment, don't knock just go in
              and take stuff, etc.  Then write script to call his
              888 number every day at 4AM, play recorded solicitation
              monologue, preferrably from salesman that doesn't stop
              for breath.  Use your imagination.  Oh and setup forward
              of all your spam to him.
           \_ snail mail address: magazine subscriptions. sign him up for
              every and all possible offers that will send him junk mail and
              bill him.
        \_ You could always file a lawsuit. But that will probably just
           end up being a big waste of everyone's time and money.

2/5     <DEAD>russellkansas.dhs.org<DEAD>  - just about says it all.
        \_ Hi paolo.

2/5     So what are the latest numbers for UCB CS/EECS B.S. and M.S.
        starting salaries in Silicon Valley?  Is there a UCB site
        which says this?
        \_ http://salary.com
           \_ wether salary dot com is reight on software engineers, i don't
              know, but i do know its off bey tens of thousands of dollars
              on serveral things i am familiar with.  I think they just make
              up some of their numbers.
                \_ software engineer I, San Jose 50% median == $58k?
                   does this seem right?
                   \_ straight out of college, yah it does, esp if there's no
                      prior experience outside of coursework and you're not
                      graduating from a toptier engineering school. --chris
        \_ The career center has it.
                \_ where on http://career.berkeley.edu is it?

2/5     Someone below posted that Linus hates firewire.  Is this person serious?
        Does anyone here know anything bad about firewire?  (everything i have
        heard has been very positive). What? (added for those "yes"/"no" S.A.s.)
        \_ Well there was that $1 fee apple wanted and then quietly dropped.
           Some people complain that the developer docs and the spec are
           hard to obtain (okay, its a IEEE standard, but I've still heard
           complaints on line).
           And then there's the USB 2.0 crowd that feels that Firewire is
           a pansy mac thing.
           Here are some articles:
           http://lwn.net/1999/features/LinuxWorld/lt-keynote.phtml
           http://slashdot.org/articles/99/09/05/1325210.shtml
           BTW, I'm all for firewire. It kicks major arse. If poor little
           Linus and his UNIX clone LinSUX don't want to get in on this
           technology, he can stick to his crappy peecee. I don't run his
           OS nor will I in the near future.
        \_ Linus made disparaging comments about Firewire in the past, but
           the Linux 2.4 kernel supposedly supports Firewire:
           http://www.firewireworld.com/news/2000/08/20000823/linux.shtml

2/5     If you have an idea for a CSUA-sponsored talk, no matter how lame
        it sounds, and you want to do it, don't wonder if you should or not.
        Just go into the office and demand support.  Get involved.  It can't
        be any lamer than the silent MOTD readers.
        \_I have to disagree here, there are some topics which don't yield
          themselves to discussion at a CSUA-sponsored talk.  I once
          brought up having a WAREZ club, so all the people in CSUA could
          trade software.  The officers flipped and talked about how after
          we graduated we would realize how much money pirates were stealing
          from us (as programmers in the real world) blah, blah, blah...
          Point is, my "idea" was blown out of the water, so think twice
          before bringing up an idea, it could be lame in other people's
          eyes even if it's way too cool in yours.
                \_ oh my god!  The rejection!  Yeah, you're right; if there's
                   any chance you'll be rejected you better NOT EVEN TRY
                   YOU FUCKING WANKY LOSER.  WHY DON'T YOU JUST CRAWL
                   INTO A HOLE AND DIE!
                \_ for one thing, it's not pronounced "juarez"  -tom
                   \_ I fell off the edge again.
          \_ First of all the idea needs to be legal.  duh?
          \_ warez?  grow up.  pr0n is where it's at.
             \_ Where can I get my CSUA-sponsored pr0n?

2/5     The WMA to mp3 conversion programs I've tried don't seem to work.
        Which WMA to mp3 converter works well and is convenient for batch
        operations?

2/5     My 2 cents on "Mamma Mia!".  I enjoyed it a lot even though I've never
        hear of ABBA before in my life (before my time).  It's a cute story.
        Funny at times.  It's well worth the money.
        \_ What are you talking about?
           \_ Able was I ere I saw Elba
              \_ Don't be gay
                 \_ "Don't be gay" isn't a palindrome. Try again.
                     \_ Yag beb gay!
           \_ Ai, Mamma Mia!
              \_ Good one. But the comma broke the symmetry
                 \_ Ai Mamma Mia.

2/3     Speaking of ssh, could soda admins generate  new 'n fixed ssh host
        keys so that we don't have to edit our known_hosts file every time
        soda is switched from openssh to commerical ssh1 and then back to
        openssh?
        \_ They could.  I hope they have better things to do or you'd just
           ignore the errors like everyone else.
           \_ It is pretty time consuming to copy a file. I give you that.
           \_ I ssh to soda from about seven different systems. It is
              kind of annoying to have to update known_hosts file on all of
              them whenever soda admins change their mind about which version
              of sshd to run. -original poster
        \_ we should just have the ssh1 ssh2 and openssh binaries each of
           which get called after a  case statement depending on /dev/rand
           then tom can bitch all he wants, and he will be a happy tom.
        \_ redhat 7.1 uses SSH Version OpenSSH_2.3.0p1
           \_ And your point is? I was not advocating using one implementation
              of ssh or another. What I say is that the soda admins should
              generate new ssh host keys so that people's clients don't
              compalain every time sshd is switched to openssh and then
              back to data fellows ssh1. The current keys are 1023bit and
              the sshd1 fails to acknowledge that.

2/2     Hey what's with the POP3 server.  My mail client can't log in but
        I can SSH in to use pine?
        \_ soda supports spop and imaps, non-encrypted pop3 and imap4 are
           not supported. If you are using netscape, you can set it up to
           use imaps. I think the same is true for eudora and M$ whatever.
           I don't know of any client that supports spop though.
           \_ I usually create an ssh tunnel and have my mail client to
              establish an imap connection through that.
        \_ hm, my pop3 client doesn't seem to be configured to use any
           encryption, but I don't seem to have any trouble retrieving my mail.
           \_ It appears to have been reenabled.
        \_ so what's the deal with spop?  is it just pop3 over ssl?  Anybody
           know how to configure Outlook Express to use it?  I checked the
           SSL checkbox, but it won't connect.  Am I using the wrong port
           (defaults to 995)?
           \_ I've configured outlook express (and outlook as well) to use
              spop.  If you can't connect, check for odd shit like a dialog
              box placed BEHIND the active window, so it will never be seen,
              unless you check the task bar.  You should get a "do you want
              to accept this cert." type message once, but otherwise it
              should Do The Right Thing.  --sowings
              \_ how did you do this?  more details, please.  I've never even
                 seen any prompt asking about certificates.
                 \_ Tools -> Accounts -> Properties -> Advanced -> "This
                    server requireds a secure connection."  When you check
                    this box, the port changes to 995.  This won't work with
                    soda, though, so if that's what you're talking about....
                        --sowings
           \_ spop is pop3 + ssl. I've never seen a email client that
              handled it correctly. There is a variant of pop3 called
              apop that is similar to spop (its encrypted), but only
              eudora handles it correctly.
              \_ Only your password is encrypted (not the email itself,
                 but then encrypted mail transport when SMTP goes cleartext
                 is a bit silly.

2/6     Moving the Earth (Archimedes would be proud):
        http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/space/02/05/earth.move/index.html
        \_ not dumb, senile
        \_ There are far more other problems that we need to worry about before
           the sun warming up becomes a problem.
            \_ We could move mars closer to an earth-like orbit, making it
               more comfy.  Then we'd have all the liebenstraum the grad
               students would ever need, and they could stop trying to take
               over 343 Soda.

2/6     Besides craigslist, is there somewhere else that anyone can suggest
        where I can look at online postings for parking space rentals?  I've
        tried yahoo classifieds, sfgate classifieds, sf chron as well.
        Thanks.  -- joeking

2/6     I need to get a PDA to keep track of appointments and todo lists.
        I want something inexpensive with an audible alarm.  Any recs?
        \_ Palm m100
           \_ I second the motion.
              \_ what do you do with your palms?
                \_ masturbate, duh
                   \_ Poor guy.  I use mine to squeeze chicks' boobs.
                    \_ squeezing chicks' boobs is SO not a substitute
                       for masturbation.  -aspo
                 \_ I keep track of appointments, to-do lists, ...
        \_ You should be able to get a palm 5 cheap. Works great, has alarm,
           and the recharageable battery is great.

2/6     Patron Saint of the Internet (how dumb can the pope be?):
        http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/02/06/pope.internet.reut/index.html
        \_ not dumb, senile [moved by the motd mind reader]
           \_ Neither. Quite aware of the humour value.
              \_ Here in America we spell it "humor".
                \_ I see Brit spellings on motd all the time. Who is a
                   well known Brit in CSUA?
                   \_ Wouldn't anyone from Hong Kong use the british spelling?
                      \_ yes, or from Australia, or (I would assume) from almost
                         any other English-speaking nation, aside from the US.

2/6     I weigh about 180 pounds.  where can i buy a pogo stick that will
        not break that will bounce pretty high?
        \_ Say please first.

2/6     i had acrobat reader 3.x and it allowed me to search through an entire
        doc.  Not just the page being viewed.  I installed reader 4.x in a diff
        directory and IT does NOT have the functionality AND it seems that my
        version 3 has lost it as well!  What the fuck?  So now i've uninstalled
        them both, but i can't seem to find an old version of 3.  What should
        i do?  (other than use a real OS)
        \_ There used to be a searching and a non-searching version of AR.
           Make sure you grabbed the right one.
        \_ dont know what your computer's smoking, my acrobat 4 can search
           entire pdf's (100+ pages long) fine.
        \_ you are a gay whiner.
        \_ you have to click on the right button first
        \_ Think it depends on how the PDF is encoded. If they saved
           it out wrong there's nothing to index, thus nothing to search,
           thus the app. takes the feature out of the menu.
        \_ what kind of search are you doing?  just a regular Find?  A Search
           Query?

2/6     I'm 6'5 and weigh 164 pounds and my diastolic BP was 53 this
        morning. Where can I get a pogo stick for my BP?
        \_ Lose some weight first.